
"In an interview with Tablet magazine, Barack Obama biographer David Garrow discussed a letter the former president wrote to a college girlfriend in which he "repeatedly fantasizes about making love to men".
This is all over Twitter today, but I could only find right-wing sources. Not sure what "Tablet" magazine is.
by Anonymous | reply 68 | August 16, 2023 4:06 AM |
[quote] Not sure what "Tablet" magazine is.
Googling too hard for you, OP?
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 1 | August 5, 2023 3:16 AM |
Oh for chrissakes...Trump got indicted again...deal with it.
by Anonymous | reply 2 | August 5, 2023 3:19 AM |
"Tablet" is a Jewish news magazine.
Here's the article.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 3 | August 5, 2023 3:20 AM |
This cannot be de facto proven to be true.
by Anonymous | reply 4 | August 5, 2023 3:27 AM |
[quote] Googling too hard for you, OP?
r1 Stop being such a bitch. Maybe he didn't feel the need to go on a google search.
Point is he's correct, in the article Obama talked briefly about homosexual fantasies. But he never said he was gay or even bisexual.
by Anonymous | reply 5 | August 5, 2023 3:33 AM |
Reality check: the author claims the letter is in the Obama collection at Emory University, but somehow they wouldn't let him take a picture or make a copy of it.
He also posits that Obama still runs the government because he chose to live in Washington after his term. Well, that proves it!
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 6 | August 5, 2023 4:03 AM |
[quote]discussed a letter the former president wrote to a college girlfriend in which he "repeatedly fantasizes about making love to men".
Yes, that's the kind of thing guys routinely shared with their girlfriends in the early 80s
by Anonymous | reply 7 | August 5, 2023 5:33 PM |
"...I could only find right-wing sources..."
K(KK), OP.
Sorry you aren't able to suss the meaning of that one, Sis.
by Anonymous | reply 8 | August 5, 2023 5:39 PM |
So coincidental that bullshit like this hits Twitterdom just as Obama announces he beginning actively campaigning for Biden and the Democrats.
Does the Republican shit parade never end?
Meanwhile, Republican candidate #1 is threatening Civil War because he's having a temper tantrum, and Republican candidate #2 is planning to slit the throats of every federal civil servant the moment he steps into the office.
by Anonymous | reply 9 | August 5, 2023 5:48 PM |
Right wingers are always pulling this shit. They're saying Macron and Trudeau are lovers as well. To them, it's funny to mock people they hate by calling them gay. It's like being back at school.
by Anonymous | reply 10 | August 5, 2023 5:50 PM |
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by Anonymous | reply 11 | August 5, 2023 7:06 PM |
What if Obama is actually gay, but just hid it for political/career reasons? Kal Penn, anyone?
by Anonymous | reply 13 | August 5, 2023 8:57 PM |
He seems to be sexually attracted to his wife - there's video of him smacking her ass while boarding a plane for example. I don't think he's gay, I don't get those vibes. Maybe he's bi though.
by Anonymous | reply 14 | August 5, 2023 9:15 PM |
R15 Or maybe just block them if you don't like it.
by Anonymous | reply 16 | August 5, 2023 9:29 PM |
Feel like makin love to you 😩
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 17 | August 6, 2023 2:53 AM |
Why would DLers flag this thread to get it grayed out? It's a news story.
by Anonymous | reply 19 | August 6, 2023 9:58 PM |
I don't get gay vibes from Obama but that French Macaroon.
His GRANDMA wife is his beard for lifestyle of COCK and ASS.
by Anonymous | reply 20 | August 6, 2023 10:02 PM |
F&F the right wing troll at R19 who thinks a homophobic anti-Obama smear campaign from 2010 is somehow "a news story."
by Anonymous | reply 22 | August 7, 2023 4:44 AM |
First of all: Obama gay? So. What. Second of all: what a loaf of horse shit.
by Anonymous | reply 23 | August 7, 2023 4:49 AM |
Didn’t he spend his days at Chicago’s Man Country? 🛀 💨
by Anonymous | reply 24 | August 7, 2023 5:10 AM |
[quote] Joan had it right.
r12 Gotta love Joan. But she was doing her trademark lampooning of the Obamas. She was mocking the conspiracy theory.
by Anonymous | reply 25 | August 7, 2023 6:10 AM |
r26 Harvard straight boys don't know how to throw a baseball.
by Anonymous | reply 27 | August 7, 2023 7:01 AM |
Any man who isn't a macho, swaggering chauvinist 24/7, who chugs beer and screams at sportsball and who can bench 300 and wouldn't be caught dead on a dance floor in any circumstances, is a flaming, mincing prisspot who swallows 30 loads a night at the local bathhouse and is probably married to a tranny.
Holding this opinion and, especially, loudly proclaiming it at every opportunity, is ironclad proof that you're dealing with a manly he-man-man's man-superman who's extra-masc for sure.
by Anonymous | reply 28 | August 7, 2023 3:29 PM |
[quote]R5: Point is he's correct, in the article Obama talked briefly about homosexual fantasies. But he never said he was gay or even bisexual.
No. Obama isn't seen to have "talked" at all. The source is "historian" David J. Garrow, who repeats something supposedly said by an unnamed college former girlfriend of Obama's, and that's where the rabbit hole dead ends. It's a lot like the claim that Michelle Obama was a man, which, no matter how many times it's been debunked, keeps getting picked up and repeated by right wing sources. It's ratfucking 101, and the various permutations of the claim that Obama is gay emerged from the circles in which Alex Jones, Jerome Corsi, and Roger Stone run. Place the baseless rumor in the path of a researcher who's known to be working on a biography of Obama; it's as simple and as stupid as that. And Garrow has already demonstrated his credulity and susceptibility to right wing bullshit with his work on Dr Martin Luther King Jr, where he accepted and repeated a piece of FBI-crafted COINTELPRO smear propaganda as fact.
by Anonymous | reply 29 | August 7, 2023 5:02 PM |
r29 Oh well, maybe he said it. Maybe he didn't. It's hearsay. Point is, that fucking guy [Obama] is not gay. And Michelle is not a man. Even Joan Rivers didn't believe that. She's a comedian. The only thing about that theory is that it's hilarious. A genius invented it. And Michelle is indeed built like a linebacker.
I'm not a big fan of Obama in retrospect. He was just another warmongering Neo-Con shill. And he wasn't even black. Raised by white family in Hawaii where there is almost no black community.
by Anonymous | reply 30 | August 7, 2023 8:15 PM |
What's it called when gay men lose their gaydar?
by Anonymous | reply 31 | August 7, 2023 8:41 PM |
[quote]R30: It's hearsay.
It doesn't even come up to the level of hearsay. It's a piece of propaganda coming from unrepentantly bigoted far right circles where being gay is considered the worst possible thing to be.
[quote]I'm not a big fan of Obama in retrospect. He was just another warmongering Neo-Con shill.
Whatever criticisms I have of Obama's performance as president or of his advisory capacity post-presidency are not anything I choose to give voice to, particularly in the face of the current threat of impending fascism. Now is not the time. Given the time/place and circumstances, I do not in any way regret the votes I cast for him in his two terms. I would do it again.
[quote]And he wasn't even black. Raised by white family in Hawaii where there is almost no black community.
Racial 'authenticity' is a bullshit argument, one which especially does not belong in the mouth of a white guy. You would not find me making it. He was/is sufficiently black to make the Right totally and irrevocably lose its shit.
by Anonymous | reply 32 | August 8, 2023 2:04 AM |
[quote] Racial 'authenticity' is a bullshit argument, one which especially does not belong in the mouth of a white guy. You would not find me making it. He was/is sufficiently black to make the Right totally and irrevocably lose its shit.
r32 No, Obama was my President. He was supposed to be a servant of the people. So if race is a relevant topic to his authenticity as a man and as a leader, I have every right to comment upon it.
First, I voted for him and I don't regret it. The alternatives, McCain and Romney, were far worse.
I have an issue with how he suddenly became "black" as a politician when it suited him. He appears to have been an atheist in college. Then he pretends to be Christian all a sudden when he needs the support of the black church. So yeah, his "blackness" is a relevant issue when discussing his authenticity.
But it was his continuation of American imperialism in Iraq and Afghanistan which really causes me concern, albeit in retrospect. Dude, just another Neo-Con.
He made inroads into national healthcare for Americans. That was his one great accomplishment. Beyond that, I am not impressed.
by Anonymous | reply 33 | August 8, 2023 2:58 AM |
[quote]R33: No, Obama was my President.
You misunderstand me. I'm not accusing you of affiliation with the Right against Obama. It's possible I may agree with some of your criticisms of him, but I have no intention of airing any potential grievances on that subject.
[quote]So if race is a relevant topic to his authenticity as a man and as a leader...
The operant word here is "𝑰𝒇."
[quote]I have every right to comment upon it.
As have I. But to me, silence on that subject is preferable.
The enemy is the Right.
by Anonymous | reply 34 | August 8, 2023 3:08 AM |
r34 Okay, I can respect that.
I just want to clarify I'm not being a blowhard white man when I mention Obama's race. What concerns me is his switch from atheist to Christian to appeal to the black church.
by Anonymous | reply 35 | August 8, 2023 3:19 AM |
[quote]R35: What concerns me is his switch from atheist to Christian to appeal to the black church.
During his candidacy, there were a lot of efforts to label or define him in order to make him unappealing to certain constituencies, which is where claims that he was an atheist came from, as well as cynicism regarding his appearances at black churches. At one point, his relationship with one of his mentors, Jeremiah Wright, was played up in order to make him out to be some kind of a nation-ending Marxist/socialist threat. Obama himself never claimed any of these things about himself; they are popular media takes on his character, and as such, they are inconsistent with each other. He couldn't have been said to "switch" to anything, unless it was his retreat from Jeremiah Wright, a purely political move. He'd always been a middle-of-the-road Protestant Christian, and continues to be one.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 36 | August 8, 2023 3:36 AM |
r36 I don't buy it. Even Richard Dawkins called Obama an atheist. Sorry, common sense tells me the Harvard graduate is not some knee-slapping Christian.
by Anonymous | reply 37 | August 8, 2023 4:57 AM |
[quote]R37: Even Richard Dawkins called Obama an atheist.
Richard Dawkins is a flawed source. I don't find his opinions useful for anything, to the extent that if he said Obama was an atheist, that to me would carry weight that he isn't.
[quote]Sorry, common sense tells me the Harvard graduate is not some knee-slapping Christian.
I didn't say "knee-slapping" (although I've seen him do it). I characterized him as a "middle of the road" Christian, who relies upon his faith as most people do. Obama knows nothing of atheism or its arguments.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 38 | August 8, 2023 5:26 AM |
[quote]Obama knows nothing of atheism or its arguments.
His mother was a devout atheist. You don't think she ever mentioned it to him? Obama was a professor, and a self-described Trekkie. He was most certainly an atheist. He pretended to be a Christian to placate moronic voters.
by Anonymous | reply 39 | August 8, 2023 5:32 AM |
Obama is still going to church. Who is he placating now, R39?
by Anonymous | reply 40 | August 8, 2023 5:41 AM |
r36 When did you become a defender of faith? Haha. You were one of the most strident atheists on the old Religion board. I'm more lax on religion and you always struck me as a hardliner.
by Anonymous | reply 41 | August 8, 2023 5:47 AM |
I am an antitheist, PC, as much a "hardliner" as ever. There is nothing in R36 that can be characterized as defending faith. I was talking about the interplay of contrasting media narratives about Obama, which I believe you mistook for facts about him. Fundamentalists had their own reasons for labeling Obama an atheist, just as Richard Dawkins had his. I don't believe that either one reflects the reality of Obama's own views. I myself have no stake in what Obama believes; I am indifferent to his views.
by Anonymous | reply 42 | August 8, 2023 5:55 AM |
Okay, then let me answer this:
[quote] Obama is still going to church. Who is he placating now (?)
His wife? Or more likely, he's an establishment figure now and he's playing a role in the black church which he didn't have before he went into politics.
by Anonymous | reply 43 | August 8, 2023 6:10 AM |
Sounds like rationalization in support of a position for which there's otherwise no evidence, PC/R43. The simpler explanation is that he's just a Christian.
Why do you 𝑛𝑒𝑒𝑑 for him to be an atheist?
I have no similar need to argue that he's a Christian, since it's what he already claims to be, in both word and in practice. There's no reason to second-guess it.
I think you and I are at an impasse on this issue, and the fact is that you have a higher estimation of him than I do.
by Anonymous | reply 44 | August 8, 2023 4:41 PM |
r244 I don't need him to be an atheist. Lol. But I have over the years read many comments that he was raised without religion and was an atheist in college. A quick search and I can't find the source now. But there are many others including Richard Dawkins who have said this as well.
The bigger issue is how political figures use religion to pander to the American people.
by Anonymous | reply 45 | August 8, 2023 8:44 PM |
[quote]R45: The bigger issue is how political figures use religion to pander to the American people.
Or assert the lack thereof, usually intended as a smear.
Richard Dawkins. Why would his opinions hold any weight with you whatsoever? When he's talking about science, sure. But when he weighs in on politics, philosophy , or social issues, he often tends to be an ass. He doesn't say that Obama's an atheist because of his deep longtime acquaintance with the man; his reasoning seems to run more like, 'Obama seems well-educated, intelligent, clever. Educated at Harvard. Such a reasoned individual must surely be an atheist.' And many perform the leap that, if Dawkins said it, it must be so.
Dawkins keeps on blundering out into the weeds on the Right on certain issues.
by Anonymous | reply 46 | August 8, 2023 10:46 PM |
[quote] Didn’t he spend his days at Chicago’s Man Country?
Some sad fat queen who lived - literally - in a basement tried to smear Obama with that because he saw some black guy that kinda sorta looked a little bit like Obama in certain lighting at Man's Country.
THEN the claim was that Rahm would go there to get fucked by Obama's BBC.
Because of course, if they were both gay, they'd choose a place so stank that the bacteria crawls off the floor and bites you. A place where clearly they would be seen.
All in the imagination of whoever that sad messy bitch was from "hillbuzz."
by Anonymous | reply 47 | August 8, 2023 10:51 PM |
It’s sad that even gay people think being thought of as gay is character assassination
by Anonymous | reply 48 | August 13, 2023 1:02 AM |
I'm here because I saw a report that he wrote a letter to an ex where he said me makes love to men daily, in his imagination!
by Anonymous | reply 49 | August 13, 2023 1:08 AM |
The NY Post had an article on this - they got a redacted copy of the letter. Obama apparently said he fantasized about men every day, but only in his imagination.
by Anonymous | reply 50 | August 13, 2023 2:07 AM |
I believe it. Obama is one of us!!
by Anonymous | reply 52 | August 13, 2023 9:05 PM |
By the way, the guy making the claim, David Garrow, is a Pulitzer Prize winning author, so chances are, he’s telling the truth. It’s not some Darwin Porter making the claim.
by Anonymous | reply 53 | August 13, 2023 9:07 PM |
Also, this isn’t some new revelation, this was documented in Garrow’s book six years ago after Obama’s presidency had ended.
by Anonymous | reply 54 | August 13, 2023 9:10 PM |
[quote]R53: By the way, the guy making the claim, David Garrow, is a Pulitzer Prize winning author, so chances are, he’s telling the truth. It’s not some Darwin Porter making the claim.
Mmm-hmm. Sure.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 55 | August 13, 2023 9:18 PM |
How poetic. But ultimately he married a woman and had kids, perpetuating the endless farce of earthly life.
by Anonymous | reply 56 | August 13, 2023 9:23 PM |
I'm surprised people are upset that Obama MAY have had gay fantasies on a gay website. So what?
by Anonymous | reply 57 | August 13, 2023 9:32 PM |
R57, the sourcing seems pretty skeevy; I distrust it. (Supposedly the original letter is in the custody of Emory University, where it is not permitted to be photographed, yet the NYPost article depicts a photograph of a letter to try to reinforce its purported genuineness/reality to unwary readers.)
But the supposed content of the letter does not actually admit to gay sex, but only imaginary or metaphorical relations. And as R56 observes, Obama married a woman and had kids; there is no evidence of homosexual relations. No stories of anything like Kennedy's Lem Billings has ever emerged.
by Anonymous | reply 58 | August 13, 2023 9:48 PM |
[quote]a loaf of horse shit
Pics please.
by Anonymous | reply 59 | August 13, 2023 9:58 PM |
Weren't there rumors about him and his (Pakistani?) roommate? There's that one pic where they're sitting on the couch practically on top of one another. I like to think it's true, because the roommate is really hot.
by Anonymous | reply 60 | August 14, 2023 2:18 AM |
R58, the letter wasn’t photographed, it was copied by hand by David Garrow’s friend who went to look at it.
The letter has been public knowledge since 2018.
by Anonymous | reply 61 | August 14, 2023 3:52 AM |
[quote]R61: the letter wasn’t photographed, it was copied by hand by David Garrow’s friend who went to look at it.
"David Garrow's friend" is Harvey Klehr, who attempts to lend a veneer of academic respectability to Cold War-era anti-communism and its claims. It's what all his books are about. He's less trustworthy than Garrow. The whole thing rests solely on the claims of these two political operatives.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 62 | August 14, 2023 6:06 AM |
R62, okay, so this could easily be disproved if they are lying.
by Anonymous | reply 63 | August 14, 2023 8:28 AM |
[quote]R63: okay, so this could easily be disproved if they are lying.
How, R63? Access to the letter is restricted in a manner which is not conducive to its validation.
Have you ever heard of the Mar Saba Letter, aka the 'Secret Gospel of Mark'?
The disposition of this letter seems somewhat similar to that.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 64 | August 15, 2023 1:48 AM |
R64, if David Garrow’s friend can access, surely other journalists can access it.
by Anonymous | reply 66 | August 15, 2023 8:23 AM |
Funny that nobody has, R66.
Merely looking at it cannot validate it.
by Anonymous | reply 67 | August 15, 2023 11:40 PM |
[quote] It’s sad that even gay people think being thought of as gay is character assassination
r48 This 100%
That being said, he's not gay. He just sounds like a college kid experimenting with concepts.
by Anonymous | reply 68 | August 16, 2023 4:06 AM |
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