Russell Brand on Bill Maher's HBO Show

Russell Brand is right about a lot of what he says, but GOOD GOD, he is tiring.

What a fucking blowhard.

It's really frustrating to me when I hear someone who makes a lot of good points undermine all their arguments with pompous, arrogant delivery and debating so aggressively that they end up debating no one because they don't give anyone else a moment to get a sentence out.

He needs a sedative.

He”s an anti-vaccination conspiracy theorist and spreader of misinformation. I’m curious what he’s right about.

I've tried watching him but I can only take him for a few minutes. He's exhausting and loud mouthed.

He’s a heroin addict with a small penis.

R2 honestly, he so steamrolled the conversation and at such a rapidfire pace, I didn't retain a whole lot of what he said, but I did agree with some of his contrarian perspectives. He takes the contrarian thing too far, though, questioning everythint and making too black-and-white judgments about everything.

Here is one of the things he said that I agree with.

The most controversial and likely to be condemned comment is that "science does not exist objectively, but within calitalist agendas," and he is right about that, unfortunately, at least in the US.

However, that's a tricky argument to make without proper context.

Scientific investigation obviously is a process and it has nothing to do with politics or economics as a pursuit—BUT within the United States, there is no objective scientific investigation, because all scientific investigation has to be funded by some corporation or political party or another. In some cases, it's pharmaceutical or other chemical or agricultural companies underwriting research intended to produce results to support its own sales goals, and in other cases, it's NIH directing funding to research universities to study X, Y or Z, which may seem objective, but it is never objective because NIH and other federal agencies all are run by presidential appointees and they support their parties' political agendas.

This is the case with the entirety of science-based industry, and it takes a lot of money to perform scientific investigation and therefore scientific investigation always must serve corporate and/or political interests. Scientific research itself is not inextricably tied to politics and corporate enterprises, but the ability to perform scientific research always is.

"science does not exist objectively, but within calitalist agendas,"

Well, if you want to wind up at stupid you can actually start with a half-ass level of truth.

And never forget to razzle dazzle them. You know, like that dance movie with the crazy lady and the other one who decided to change faces.

The dude with the gerbil sang it and everything.

I bet John Heilman will never agree to be a guest again if Russell Brand is there too.

Brand did make some decent points; however, he monopolized the conversation and was wrong on other points. Brand was wrong about cable news. The truth is MSNBC and CNN do not just have a different opinion than FOX, but are basically the same in delivering the news. FOX is nothing but lies. Brand was wrong claiming FOX is legitimate.

John Heilman is used to being the political authority on most issues. Russel Brand basically sidelined Heilman as a bit player on Maher's show last night. Brand was correct sometimes, but rather overbearing and sometimes obnoxious.

He is tough to watch. Overly animated, speaking non stop in a frantic manner. He reminds me of Robin Williams in that way.

Isn't he one of those allegedly far-left people who spout tirades against plutocracy but ultimately turn anti-vax and pro-Putin?

He's obviously very pleased with himself...always trying to sound like the smartest and loudest person in the room. When he was silent during Maher's routines...his smug look was caught on camera.

I think he's a smart guy who I often agree with, but he is way too annoying to listen to at all. Can't stand him.

Yes r10. It’s worked well for him too. Who’s even thought about Russell Brand in the last 10 years.

R5 Do you consider universities part of this system? Sincere question, not picking a fight.

Maher does a one-on-one segment before his panels. He should only interview someone like Brand in that type of interface so that the person can't dominate the panel.

Except I suspect the production formula only takes paid promotional dollars for the one-on-ones since they are always book or movie promotions. Those are the segments he's has Kellyanne Conway and Steve Bannon on to promote their books, and I'm sure the publisher paid for their appearances, like when Donald Trump Jr., , Kin Guilfoyle, Bill O'Reilly, Kellyanne Conway and other horrors have been on The View.

He's such a blowhard. His voice is like listening to two trains scraping by one another. Him insisting MSMBC was just another liar like Fox is crazy. I hope Bill never asks him back. He's terrible.

R14 Universities are part of the system because university research divisions 1) have huge overhead, like 200%, and therfore are profit seeking and therefore inherently have some level of corruption; and 2) they receive their funding from both private companies and from governmental agencies, and those are driven by profit seeking and political agendas, respectively.

A very obvious example is when Harvard researchers discovered decades ago that sugar causes inflammation that damages cardiovascular systems and they took money from the sugar industry to promote the idea that fat causes cardiovascular problems and not to promote the discoveries about sugar at all.

An arguably more nefarious and definitely more clandestine example of how universities are invokved in corrupt efforts relates to both the Tuskegee syphilis experiments on black men funded by the US National Health Service (which became the CDC midway through the 50-year experiment) and the CIA's mind-control drug experiments from the 50s through the 70s, through which the CIA founded false philanthropic foundations and gave millions of dollars to many university hospitals to conduct explicitly unethical psychiatric experiments on unwitting patients using many different dangerous drugs. The universities, which included Georgetown and others in the DC area and even some Canadian ones, took the money, tormented patients who had no idea they were being used as lab rats, and dutifully reported findings in exchange for millions of dollars.

So, yes.

[quote]Him insisting MSMBC was just another liar like Fox

Alright, this is right. Hm. Maybe I’ll have to listen.

It's pretty obvious that he tried out a series of personalities and angles in his personal appearances and on his YouTube channel until he settled on the age-old "self-proclaimed leftist who says a bunch of far-right conspiracy stuff" angle, and it's worked out well for him financially, which was, of course, the whole point.

More for R14, from 1977.

[quote] The Central Intelligence Agency used the University of Maryland and George Washington University for some of its top secret MKULTRA experiments in behavior control in the 1950s and 1960s, the agency has informed both universities. The CIA also officially informed Georgetown University that it had sheltered some of the MKULTRA experiments. Georgetown's part in the project had been previously reported but not officially confirmed. The three local universities were among 80 private and public institutions told in the past few days they had played parts - some wittingly, some not - in the MKULTRA tests.

Maher just wanted another voice to support his Covid theories.

He was always touching or grabbing Heilman's arm when speaking/shouting.

Katy Perry was raised in a church cult and she doesn't seem all that sharp. Imagine how he must have spoken to her.

hilarious and actually insane that fox "news" is spouting actors, ACTORS! like woody harrelson and tim robbins as the true experts and voices of Covid not Dr. Fauci! WTF!...

Unbelievable that Maher is still obsessing over COVID. He's like Matt Taibbi who was still insisting Russia had done nothing wrong long after we knew of multiple times the GRU had hacked into US intelligence, voter registration systems, the French elections systems, the 2018 Olympics systems, etc.

Celebrities are not experts. They're morons. If you're listening to celebrities and hanging on their every word believing them to be wise and insightful, you are a moron, too.

Maher is obsessive about matters where he is in the minority and won't stop until he gathers as many acolytes as possible. He has yet to invite a guest who can really stand up to his bs.

And, who that be? ^ Rachel Maddow? Elizabeth Warren? AOC?

Re: R1: Russell knows who's got the cocaine.

Brand steamrolled over both Heilman and Maher.

For example when he was going on a tirade about vaccines, Maher was trying to get across the point that while he wasn't a big fan of getting vaccinated himself, he said the vaccines saved a lot of lives, and so it wasn't fair to come down completely against pharma in general or vaccines in particular the way Brand was.

And Maher was later making the point that there's a difference between scepticism vs taking one side over another.

He also tried making the point that Republicans and Democrats are not the same.

However Brand was non stop babbling, not allowing for anyone to counter a number of stupid observations he was making.

It was exhausting.

I've avoided watching Overtime so as not to gave to listen to that motor mouth.

Harvey Fierstein said he saw Vanessa Redgrave stand up to Bill Maher and Bill demanded it be edited out of the show. I imagine that happens with anyone who does the same.

How does the editing happen when the show is live?

r29, not necessarily any of those women, but perhaps a true scientist who knows what he's talking about.

R34 There are multiple cameras, and a director watches a bunch of monitors in a control booth and tells a technician what camera angle to cut to at different times to keep the view dynamic and to get close-ups of speakers and reactions. It all happens in [agh] real time. That's how live TV works.

It was on "Politically Incorrect" which I don't think was live, r34. Fierstein told Ron Reagan "fuck you and fuck your father" once on the show, and they were able to bleep it out.

I enjoyed the interview with Bernie, but once I saw Brand was a guest, I fast forwarded to New Rules. One of the rare times I didn't bother with the panel discussion, and I've been watching Maher for decades.

I appreciate perspectives that fall outside red-versus-blue, proselytizing-churchy-versus-proselytizing-atheist, etc.

If those perspectives are reasonable and delivered in reasonable ways.

For example, Lucien Greaves, the head of the Satanic Temple, humiliated Megyn Fox and revealed she's an ignorant attorney on Fox News, and he falls way outside of the mainstream in a way that is far more reasonable than most people who take any particular side. The best Fox could do was make fun of him for having one working eye. He was civil and came out on top.

Meanwhile, Brand tries to bulldoze everyone in his path. He's insufferable.

R37 Bleeping on live television is possible. Broadcast networks are fined by the FCC when profanities air on their networks. That gives them incentive to bleep/censor. They air all 'live' broadcasts on a delay so they can listen (I'm sure it's a computer program 'listening' these days.) and censor out any obscenity as soon as they hear it so that when it actually airs 10 seconds later, it's been removed.

I think you might be on to something there, R20!

[quote]Scientific research itself is not inextricably tied to politics and corporate enterprises, but the ability to perform scientific research always is.

I disagree with this wholly. Science has something that most other disciplines don't have: peer review. And not just at the end. NIH panels, Data Safety and Monitoring Boards, Community Advisory Boards, those are all made of external members, never single NIH funded or driven individuals.

i worked at NIH and intramural research (the research that isn't externally funded) isn't driven by anyone other than the scientists. As long as it doesn't involve human subjects, there's no mechanism in place to stop you from pursuing a question other than your bosses. And one of my bosses was the head of NIDDK and other than a 30 minute check up every Monday, he had too many people to talk to and too many projects to be that involved and actively direct my research (and I was VERY junior at the time and probably needed someone else). My success was only measured by how much I published and how many presentations I gave.

I've been an external reviewer for CDC. I've never worked for them. I've been an external reviewer for journals that I don't work for. If those reviews were only done internally, I'd be worried as hell as would all the other scientists.

Even pharmaceutical companies have to have FDA approval before proceeding with a self funded trial. They submit an Investigational New Drug application that must be approved before starting.

Okay r40 but Fierstein said the show was pre-taped.

It turns out my memory was wrong and the Ron Reagan-Fierstein episode was the same as the one with Vanessa Redgrave.

Variety also reported back in 1997 that the show underwent "major editing," so please can you cunts get off my back about the show being live? I swear, some of you need to learn how to Google, and also re-learn how to interact with other human beings.

I think Brand arrived at his current iteration organically. Growing up working class, becoming disenchanted with fame, getting a radical lefty university education late in life, and loving woo-woo spiritually has led him to his current awful outlook. Lots of left-leaning, yoga types also indulge in all kinds of right-adjacent conspiracy theories.

He's been able to build a new following on all of that, and what with his addictive personality and messiah complex, it's probably going to get worse as he tries to serve them.

I used to like him for his playful sense of humor and quickness, but I gave up on him long ago. I can't believe I just saw a pic of him next to Trump Jr and Kimberly G.

John Heilemann could barely get a word in and Bill Maher a couple of times sat back and let Brand rant. If he had talked less it would have been a good show.

I always feel bad for the other guest when one guest dominates like this. You know they get really excited for their big day on a national TV show and tell their whole world, and then everyone in their world watches as they are sidelined and diminished by a jackass.

I'm glad John Heilemann stepped up and defended MSNBC by telling Brand that they don't lie and make up the news like Fox does. Brand commenting on Rachel Maddow telling everyone to get vaccinated like it was a bad thing irritated me.

I get the deluded anti-vax skepticism and magical thinking of the granola types. I’m disappointed that they are OK with the racism, homophobia, anti-semitism, and contempt for democracy. I guess you could say they’re anti-government on the last one, but a wannabe dictator is better to them? Align with the hard right and no, you can’t pick and choose. When you vote you vote for the whole hateful kit and kaboodle.

[quote] "science does not exist objectively, but within calitalist agendas,"

What?

Maher is a vaccine skeptic, so he wasn’t going to stop him.

[quote] I think Brand arrived at his current iteration organically. Growing up working class, becoming disenchanted with fame

His claim to fame was being 1 of 10 Big Brother morning show presenters and then marrying Katy Perry.

Brand is very much an annoying blowhard. He was almost sexy when he was younger.

Brand never heard of the old - and very true - saying, "Less is more". If he said much less, I could take him much more seriously. There were times when Maher looked like he wanted to choke him since he hijacked his show and completely derailed it. I'm certain Maher was not at all happy having him on as a guest when the show ended.

Well does Maher live in a CAVE? He does not. Surely he knows Brand's reputation and shitty interpersonal skills.

Brand has become the Howard Beale of social media. However, anyone who's had any interaction with Heileman over the years can tell you John is an insufferable asshole as well. Heileman is used to being the big giant head in the room. At one point I thought he was going to walk off.

I thought he O'D. His relevance expired in the Aughts.

He made me cut my hair sometimes like how I did in my music video Part Of Me, so that I would look boyish. He never made eye contact with me. He had to use my strap-on (I'm closeted too) because his penis is so small and he has bad hygiene too. It was safer with the strap-on and I could actually feel things with it, unlike when he would try to put his micropenis in me. I had more fun when I kissed a girl and liked it. He also gave me many STD's.

R51 - on the show, Brand came across as an anti vaxer, while Maher insusted the vaccine saved many lives. Being a sceptic that EVERYONE needs to be vaccinated isn't the same as being an anti vaxer.

R45, your analysis reminds me of Johnny Rotten. Forty-five years ago he was out there caterwauling against "the fascist regime," ten or so years ago I saw an interview with him where he lambasted Russell Brand for telling people to boycott the political process and not vote, and then a few years after that he'd become a total Trumphead, claiming that "Trump was for the working man."

I have no trouble believing that Heilemann can be an asshole. But he's our asshole.

I watched overtime. Russell was the same mischievous wit I used to like, and he also floated the conspiracy theory that the recent Chinese balloon business was staged to generate fear and thus more spending on the military. (As if we needed any excuses to pump money into the military.)

I wish he'd meditate and work his garden more and opine less.

R59 Maher said the vaccine saved lives FOR THOSE WHO NEEDED THE VAX. In other words, for those who had other exisiting co-morbidities, the vaccine was right for them and it saved their lives. (Maher was vaxed, but he didn't believe he was one who needed it because he was in perfect health with no co-morbidities in his 60s).

Brand, on the other hand, didn't believe anyone needed the vax and no one would be saved by it.

Whata fucking asshole Brand is. Someone shoot this fucker in his fug face.

His guru was a grifter who opposed all measures to contain the covid infection because the quarrantine interrupted her grift.

The only reason I have knowledge about any of this is due to my interest in anti MLM schemes.

[quote]Isn't he one of those allegedly far-left people who spout tirades against plutocracy but ultimately turn anti-vax and pro-Putin?

Yes. Which is why he has a talk show on Rumble like Glenn Greenwald (who is a big booster of Brand).

Besides being a motormouth, he delivers his opinions with a very self-pleased demeanor: O, what a clever boy I am!

I imagine he appeals to those who see Jordan Peterson as an intellectual.

[quote]I imagine he appeals to those who see Jordan Peterson as an intellectual.

So the hard left appeals to the hard right. Makes sense.

R43 "It turns out my memory was wrong and the Ron Reagan-Fierstein episode was the same as the one with Vanessa Redgrave."

Your memory is worse than you thought. And you obviously didn't bother to read the item you linked to because neither Ron Reagan nor Vanessa Redgrave appeared in the show with Fierstein and Maher.

"Time came when the show moved to network TV—late-night but network. It might have been my first appearance on this iteration, I don’t recall, but the guests were my friend actress Lynn Redgrave; ex-punk-rocker Johnny Rotten; conservative radio mouth and adopted son of President Reagan, Michael Reagan; and me. A discussion of AIDS got heated and, sick of listening to Michael Reagan defend his father’s criminally negligent record, I blurted out, “You know what? Fuck you and fuck your father!”

This would have been nothing but a naughty glitch on cable, but here we were on Disney-owned ABC. Maher summoned me to his dressing room for a dressing down. I didn’t see the big deal, as the show was pretaped and bleeping those few words would take under a minute’s time. (...) I was curious to see how they cut those words out. Well, no big deal, they simply bleeped the two seconds.

But as I watched, I saw a much bigger edit to the show. During that taping Lynn Redgrave, another frequent guest, had accused Maher of being a male chauvinist. Maher always had four guests. She complained that the majority of them were always men. She said that she had never seen the show when all four of the guests were female, while there were plenty of times that all four guests were men. And she’d never even seen a show with three women and one man. Women were always the minority, because even when he hosted two women and two men, his sex threw the balance to male. She held this as proof that Maher was indeed sexist. Well, guess what was cut out of that show! Mr. Liberal Standard Maher censored Lynn’s entire accusation. Gone with his whim. " Quote from Harvey Fierstein's I Was Better Last Night

Greenwald ADORES him.

[quote]There's a reason why establishment pundits can't understand @rustyrockets's worldview, so resort to screaming "far-right!". There's also a reason he has his ]show on @rumblevideo, where - after just 6 months - his audience size exceeds many cable shows:

[quote]Russell Brand on Bill Maher's HBO Show

The seven saddest words strung together in the English language.

Brand just needed a bug dose of Ritalin last night to try and keep him focused.

Russell only reconfirmed what an asshole he is and that he is being provocative primarily for the sake of it.

If it were not for the lock-downs, the social distancing, the masks and later on the vaccines, the deaths from COVID would have been at least double if not triple what the total is to date. Yes, herd immunity is ideal, but then you are willing to sacrifice the lives of many of the elderly, those with serious preexisting conditions, overweight persons, and others that perhaps overweight and/or have bad diets and suffer from poor nourishment. The current COVID variants are less impactful than the original one and the Omicron strain. So it makes more sense that we remove many of the restrictions that were in place.

Also, the primary use for Ivermectrin is still as a de-wormer. It has not been shown to be effective against COVID by any legitimate clinical trails or peer group reviews. Just spewing a flood of nonsensical alternative views and conspiracy theories is not helpful to any sensible conversation. Also, the false equivalent of comparing MSNBC progressive view points to Fox's propaganda and lies is so outrageous even Bill Maher had to interject. Russell Brand is just exhausting because most of what he says is like a demented stream of consciousness rants with no cohesive logic or structure. He needs to go back on his psychotropic medications and avoid public forums until he can display some for of sanity. I blame Maher for giving nut-jobs like Brand airtime.

[quote] What a fucking blowhard.

Then he's on the right show, because so is Bill Maher.

[quote] where - after just 6 months - his audience size exceeds many cable shows

Sounds like Glenn Greenwald is adopting Trump's criteria. Hey, Glenn, audience size ≠ quality.

[quote]Yes, herd immunity is ideal, but then you are willing to sacrifice the lives of many of the elderly, those with serious preexisting conditions.

After I started seeing folks get infected a second and third time AFTER being vaccinated, I said to everyone at work "oh, we're never going to be able to achieve here immunity if this virus mutates and people can get re-infected".

It's just not possible. Like why we've never developed herd immunity to the flu or cold. It's not a single virus anymore. It's a constellation of ever changing mutations that can evade our immune systems.

[quote] I have no trouble believing that Heilemann can be an asshole. But he's our asshole.

Exactly. I like him a lot, and he’s usually one of Maher’s best guests, which is why last nite was so fucking annoying.

“Brought to you by … ”!

[quote] Being a sceptic that EVERYONE needs to be vaccinated isn't the same as being an anti vaxer.

Honey, Maher has a history with this. It’s pre-pandemic.

[quote] I have no trouble believing that Heilemann can be an asshole. But he's our asshole.

“Our”? Honey, this isn’t some commie commune. There’s no “our,” maybe “your asshole.”

Russell Brand is a crank. He positions himself as an anti establishment truth teller but he has more in common with Trump than any genuinely progressive left wing candidates.

That he was ever taken seriously is something people who take themselves seriously should be ashamed of.

Russia's invasion of Ukraine and the genocide there has forced many on the left to consider their positions that they share with the far right Nazi adjacent republicans but many on the far left agree wholeheartedly with them.

I was so Orestes by him grabbing John’s arm.

Remember when Russell stripped nude at a protest? His dick was so tiny and sad

I was so worried about his hair for a long time, he was parting it to either side like Weird Al and a white scalp strip was opening up larger and larger in the middle. Has he fixed that?

Russell Brand has the GAY stare in his eyes 👀.

What’s the “gay stare”?

The person who compared his overbearing personality to Robin Williams makes sense to me except that Williams always seemed gracious and kind and pleasant, and Brand seems self-superior, condescending and ignorant.

The poster here who've defended MSNBC against Fox really have no idea how they've become as seduced by that network's agenda just as Fox viewers have become seduced by theirs. While MSNBC may not outright lie to the degree that Fox may, they're masters of only reporting a single side of a story while omitting other facts that are pertinent to the overall truth of a story. Stephanie Gosk has developed a great skill for doing this, as she rarely includes the opposite perspective of the story she's presenting/interpreting. Her reporting, as has that of many other of their journalists, has become as binary as NPR reporting has become. Plus, any network that allows Joy Reid & Eli Mystal to broadcast unchecked certainly has an agenda & will employ their own suitable tactics to deliver it. Outright lying isn't the only sinister way of steering consumers of news toward a specific ideology. A pound of feathers, a pound of rocks--it's all the same.

He was exhausting. The only thing that would have been more exhausting is if Jamie Lee Curtis was the other guest.

R90 The only other thing? Jamie Lee? I'm offended.

He’s one of those people who thinks talking louder than everyone else - and over everyone else - makes them the smartest person in the room. He’s not exhausting. He’s a moron who doesn’t deserve the airtime.

IMAGINE if you all will, if Tom Cruise was ever a guest! LOL!...

Enough "cough cough" material to last a entire season!

I wonder if Maher was exhausted by the appearance and regrets casting him or if he thinks he is brilliant and his appearance was a triumph? He seems to know a lot of his guests well personally.

BILL! YOU'RE NOT LISTENING. I didn't come here to talk about Scientologg, Bill. You're not listening to me. I'm here to tell you and your audience the truth. I don't know why you invited me here if you're not going to LISTEN, BILL. You haven't read the history, the science, you haven't spent years studying the TRUTH, Bill. I have, Bill. I can help you, Bill, I can help everyone, if you just LISTEN.

Wonder if Heilemann will talk about his experience on Morning Joe.

R92 yes, my thoughts exactly. Brand insists upon himself.

Haven't watched Maher in ages (since his cancel culture shit started) so wasn't aware he turned anti-vax which is quite strange since the last few times I caught Real Time he had contracted COVID and was singing the vaccine's praises since he was pretty much asymptomatic.

R89 I only watch MSNBC periodically, not regularly. I can go more than week without even clicking on the channel. I get my news from numerous legitimate sources, and I categorize MSNBC as a progressive leaning news station with opinions.

He's convinced himself that his diet has made him so healthy he would have been able to crush the disease on his own, R98.

And he's ignoring the evidence that contradicts his view:

"You can see patients that were completely healthy before having a COVID-19 infection and now are completely disabled," said Dr. Cyndya A. Shibao, an associate professor of medicine at Vanderbilt University Medical Center in Nashville, Tennessee.

R100...... I agree!.. I eat healthy usually organic, work out 6 days a week, (3 days lift, 3 days cardio), do not drink or smoke, had 2 vaccine shots and a booster and I still got covid, in fact, COVID PNEUMONIA....

Do you ever read or listen to something and come away feeling like it's a big pile of krap clogging the toilet of the universe? This is one of those things for me.

Brand is truly odious, but I was intrigued by his cleavage, Sheena Queen of the Jungle blouse and necklace and bracelets.

He's feeling himself since he discovered wigs. Fuck this guy

[quote]Isn't he one of those allegedly far-left people who spout tirades against plutocracy but ultimately turn anti-vax and pro-Putin?

Yes.

As someone who was subscribed to his Youtube channel for years, I saw it take a sharp turn a couple of years ago (maybe more like 3?) and suddenly go full clickbait "THEY'RE HIDING THE TRUTH FROM YOU!" (complete with thumbnails that involve explosions and Brand's shocked facial expressions). I could see it being organic, he's always had a crusading, messianic streak and he's also an egomaniac who isn't half as smart as he thinks he is but the change was sudden. It could easily have been cynical, the views and subscribers immediately skyrocketed.

I give it less than a year before he gets explicit about being pro-Putin and/or pro-Trump. He already is, he's just careful about couching it in 'just looking at both sides' terms.

The comments sections below the videos are always a smorgasbord of low-IQ, terminally online dupes congratulating themselves on seeing the "truth" that the "sheeple" refuse to acknowledge, as well.

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